tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post114803655024839992..comments2023-09-07T07:48:39.974-07:00Comments on India-awake: Arjun Singh's Quota of Woesindia-awakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01001936719911449985noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-67763640701844951942007-05-25T11:37:00.000-07:002007-05-25T11:37:00.000-07:00The comments of india-awake made exactly a year ag...The comments of india-awake made exactly a year ago were so right!<BR/><BR/>Now the Govt. and the parties involved in supporting it are competing to identify other classes including minorities to grant reservations. They just want to keep fooling them with such sops.<BR/><BR/>Kiske Baap ki Diwali!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-1149788350854442312006-06-08T10:39:00.000-07:002006-06-08T10:39:00.000-07:00vasu i think you are not getting the point. the is...vasu i think you are not getting the point. the issue is not about patients seeing this doctor or that.,<BR/><BR/>it is the very concept of quota that is wrong. this arises from an inferiority complex whereby some ppl THINK they are inferior and therefoe they must be given quota.<BR/><BR/>except with the politicians who want to divide and rule and those sections that want to be ruled in this manner, everyone else believes that quota is wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-1149788270744424462006-06-08T10:37:00.000-07:002006-06-08T10:37:00.000-07:00vasu it has nothing to do with where patients want...vasu it has nothing to do with where patients want to go. it is the concept of it thats not with the times. we need people who do not have this infreiorirty complex and fixation that they are inferior and deserve quotas for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-1149754508813058392006-06-08T01:15:00.000-07:002006-06-08T01:15:00.000-07:00reservation is a must. If we need to have opportun...reservation is a must. If we need to have opportunities for all, lets create that many higher education seats ? Why artificially restrict the number of doctors coming out into the society.<BR/><BR/>Let patients chose who to go to and who not to go to ?<BR/><BR/>isnt that simple ?<BR/><BR/>vasuVasu the terriblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13871311947057925776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-1149703940696835872006-06-07T11:12:00.000-07:002006-06-07T11:12:00.000-07:00vasu has a different perspective and he has taken ...vasu has a different perspective and he has taken pains to put forth his views.<BR/><BR/>however, the plain fact is that quotas and reservations reflect an old mindset that is anachronistic now.<BR/><BR/>Things have changed and if the nation has to survive, it has to think on different lines, not simply quotas and reservations.<BR/><BR/>that's old hat. new solutions have to be found. after all all 1.1 billion people cannot be made equal howsoever we may likeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-1149495899507976582006-06-05T01:24:00.000-07:002006-06-05T01:24:00.000-07:00Hi,just giving a different perspective.To the last...Hi,<BR/><BR/>just giving a different perspective.<BR/><BR/>To the last anon. Even before muslims asked for a Electoral reservation also called elctoral colleges for themselves prior to independance, Dalits under Ambedkar had the same option and were planning to go for that. It was the Govt. of India Act, 1935. <BR/><BR/>The Indian national congress (which represented all sections of society and was a pan inia movement. Not to be confused eith the congress party) led by Gandhi and supported by Nehru, Patel persuaded Ambedkar to ambandon the line of electoral reservation (electoral colleges) which meant dalits will vote only for dalit representatives similar to what muslims had then. <BR/><BR/>In return they promised reservation in all government jobs, representation in parliament. India made a deal with Ambedkar on reservation issue. Ambedkar negotiated for inclusion of OBCs in this deal and the reservation policy is nothing but honouring this deal. Popularly called Yeravada pact, Gandhi had fasted unto death to preserve the unity of India. The muslims rejected this and the Muslim league got its first breath of fresh air during the elections. Muslim league till then was practically non-existent and this elctoral reservation law was the foundation for creation of Pakistan. Muslim league gained solid ground and Jinnah returned from England to lead the muslim league party. Based on this electoral reservation Muslim league demanded creation of Pakistan as a muslim homeland. We should remember that the same could have happened for Dalits.<BR/><BR/>Had Ambedkar not buckled under Gandhi's satyagraha and done a muslim league. We might have had not one partition but two partitions. Dalits would have had a dalitistan. Lets not forget that the population of dalits was as much as that of muslims prior to independance.<BR/><BR/>Very similar to whats happening in Iraq today would have happened then.<BR/><BR/>That was prevented by the deal struck by INC with Ambedkar. INC's side of the deal is reservation. Ambedkar single handedly saved India from if not centuries but decades of civil strife, anarchy and ultimately death.<BR/><BR/>The promised reservations had not been implemented for quiet a long time and the OBC and dalit communities have been fighting hard for their share of of the yeravada pact. <BR/><BR/>Mandal comission was saying nothing new but reminding the nation of the promises made to the OBCs and dalits by it prior to independance.<BR/><BR/>Mandal comission episode itself meant little in concrete gains for the oppressed classes because all that the government did was accept the comission's findings and table it in the parliament. Yet it opened up the debate in the politcal relm. Meanwhile <BR/>no concrete action was taken on the report because of agitation by uppercaste, the self immolation of Goswami, SC's intervention on the whole issue.<BR/><BR/>It depended on the political will off the government to ammend the constitution and make reservation out of perview of judiciary.<BR/><BR/>The congress under Rajiv, Rao and the BJP under Vajpayee successfully hatched eggs for 15 years. While the uppercastes prospered and India achieved 8% growth majority of India had been given a raw deal. What is legitimately there's was robbed. The uppercaste lobby in beureucracy, industry and politics conspired.<BR/><BR/>One of the reasons why today's india is such a contradiction of poverty and grandeur. A whole generation of OBCs were pulling the proverbial yoke, cleaning the proverbial dirt (of the society) while the uppercastes migrated west, became rich and formed the engine of growth of new india. The spread of wealth never penetrated the top 20-30 % at most. All this was also a factor of which caste you belonged to.<BR/><BR/>However this situation was not universal. Some states took the lead by themselves and went ahead with implementation of the mandal comission (e.g. TN, Kar, AP, Mah, Guj). Despite the supreme court verdict the political will prevailed because the OBCs, SC/STs had political freedom to fight their cause. The SC even recogonised the legitimacy of reservation by fixing a ceiling of 50% instead of 22.5%. We should ask why did SC accept 50% ?<BR/><BR/>Though the realities of tamil nadu meant more was required and hence the 69% reservation brought in by MGR in 1980 (much before mandal). TN was the first state to include that bill within the 9th schedule of the constitution and thus beyond the SC's perview.<BR/><BR/>South India has therefore implemented the full scope of the deal India made with Ambedkar much before north India had.<BR/><BR/>The current constitutional ammendment is the culmination of the political debate and start of the action. All political parties have unanimously supported the bill and the implementation of the bill as spoken by Arjun singh is carried by all political parties.<BR/><BR/>How come congress which sat on this bill for 7 years suddenly woke up ? Answer is the age of coalitions. The coalition structure in this government makes it more unstable than the one ruled by vajpayee. Obviously the smaller parties like DMK, Left and RJD which are closer to the people are finding their voices heard in the center. After 20 long years.<BR/><BR/>For once the politicians are implementing their electoral promises.<BR/><BR/>Its been a long wait for the OBCs. Had Ambedkar been a jinnah and not given up on the elctoral colleges, we would have had a three way split of India. Pakistan, India and Dalitistan.<BR/><BR/>Ambedkar being a learned man and a giant in his own stature had felt that Gandhi and Indian national congress were genuine and sinciere about its itnentions of changing the course of centuries of oppression.<BR/><BR/>Gandhi died and so did patel. Nehru the shrewd politician did not live upto the deal. Infact he even sidestepped Gandhi's advise of disbanding Indian national congress. And for the next 30 years, we were lost in political machanisation plauging new India. A nation's obsession with the nehru-gandhi family distracted us from the real task at hand.<BR/><BR/>I think its only fair to implement what was politically agreed upon. <BR/><BR/>Isnt it ?<BR/>vasuAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-1148935292728590762006-05-29T13:41:00.000-07:002006-05-29T13:41:00.000-07:00the muslims were the first to ask for quota's ,whe...the muslims were the first to ask for quota's ,when the muslim league asked the british to reserve special seats in elections for the muslim candidates , the english obliged(divide and rule)<BR/>now the UPA wants to divide the country remember u divide people ,u divide country pakistan is a traumatic example ,when idiot terrorists cant be handled by indians i worry what will happen if some intelligent guys when kicked out of the society because of quots raj turn to become terrorists can do....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-1148585166760742562006-05-25T12:26:00.000-07:002006-05-25T12:26:00.000-07:00This govt. is proving to be the successor to the B...This govt. is proving to be the successor to the British Empire which was praised by the present PM when he visited Oxford.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-1148585067804934272006-05-25T12:24:00.000-07:002006-05-25T12:24:00.000-07:00Amazing you have been able to predict how the issu...Amazing you have been able to predict how the issue is going to go. Looks like you are involved in Govt.workings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-1148466863402219892006-05-24T03:34:00.000-07:002006-05-24T03:34:00.000-07:00Arising from the quota issue it appears that many ...Arising from the quota issue it appears that many Doctors, Engineers and other professionals are feeling that their voice is not being heard sufficiently by the present political leadership. When this happens protests and strikes are not the only way to get an opinion heard. If an important and sizeable section of population feels that their interests are not being catered to fully in a democratic set up, perhaps the only viable option is to form their own political party. The professional section of population has by and large stayed out of the political process in India. It was not so when the process started during British times. Now they have no one to blame, if they feel they are not being heard.<BR/><BR/>Doctors, Engineers, Lawyers, Chartered accountants, experts (Professors and others with Ph.D.), Journalists,MBAs, Industrialists (of pvt. Ltd. Companies) NRIs and professional students (for student wing) should then be the only persons allowed to Join the new party if it is to make a difference. Some existing politicians would qualify to join if they wish to. Such a party will be elitist no doubt, but it can win elections, if people see hope of progress and prosperity in this new Professional Party of India. Many are unhappy with the present lot. Person such as Karan Thapar or Ratan Tata would be the right persons to initiate such a party.<BR/><BR/>Rooting out corruption and casteism should be a priority for this new party and focusing first on basics like electricity, water, roads and timely justice in courts, should be the focus, rather than a million other issues, while innumerable citizens thirst for healthy drinking water during their waking hours and timely justice in courts is not even a dream during their sleeping ones. It is not so in most other civilized countries of the world.<BR/>more in my blog at http://ohohindia.blogspot.com Ashok https://www.blogger.com/profile/13678997673056672234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-1148358015666535042006-05-22T21:20:00.000-07:002006-05-22T21:20:00.000-07:00Please stop the politics of vote bank by reservati...Please stop the politics of vote bank by reservation. Sheela SinhaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-1148357865874178262006-05-22T21:17:00.000-07:002006-05-22T21:17:00.000-07:00Majority of persons are suffering by the reservati...Majority of persons are suffering by the reservation ,but politicians fear that without reservation they will lose their seats but it is not true.Be brave and once try to win the post without giving bribe. All will succeed. <BR/><BR/>Sheela SinhaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-1148357100401878642006-05-22T21:05:00.000-07:002006-05-22T21:05:00.000-07:00Ability grows by education not by reservation so r...Ability grows by education not by reservation so reservation must end. All able persons are leaving India because India has no value of ability. India is going to be centre of unable persons. and USA is progeressing because all able persons are coming here.<BR/><BR/>Sheela SinhaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-1148356984105934022006-05-22T21:03:00.000-07:002006-05-22T21:03:00.000-07:00fdgdgdfg ddgfdgfdg gd dfg fgdfgfdgdgfdgdgdfg ddgfdgfdg gd dfg fgdfgfdgdgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-1148237907170546362006-05-21T11:58:00.000-07:002006-05-21T11:58:00.000-07:00Compliments to drpeds for his point.And why should...Compliments to drpeds for his point.<BR/><BR/>And why should there be reservation at all, even at MBBS level or any other levels after high school in any faculty?<BR/><BR/>If govt. feels that some people deserve special treatment for getting more votes, they should be given such special treatment by giving them free schooling, free breakfast, lunch and dinner, free clothes, free pick up and drop service to and from the school etc.<BR/><BR/>If they still insist on their policy, also give reservations to underprivileged minorities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-1148237597415720022006-05-21T11:53:00.000-07:002006-05-21T11:53:00.000-07:00drpeds has raised a pertinent issue. Equally impor...drpeds has raised a pertinent issue. Equally important, perhaps more so, is the question:<BR/><BR/>Why should you in the first place give preferential treatment for entry to a specified group of people over: <BR/>1) those who have more merit, thus actually depriving those better merited of entry <BR/>and <BR/>2) those who are simlarly placed as this preferred group of people but do not fall under the arbitrary label of OBCs as fixed by the govt.<BR/><BR/>What you are indirectly doing is saying that those falling in this specified group actually deserve more than those with full merit. i.e. they are placed on the highest footing. <BR/><BR/>Readers should send their urgent protests to Human Resource Minister, Govt. of India, at:<BR/><BR/>email address:<BR/><BR/>hrm@nic.inAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-1148191457721454172006-05-20T23:04:00.000-07:002006-05-20T23:04:00.000-07:00is this the world of 21st century in India?I ask M...is this the world of 21st century in India?<BR/>I ask Mr Arjun singh, <BR/>that will he go to a doctor when he knows the doctor is from reserved category and is not passed by his merit?<BR/><BR/>Will he give his life into somebody's hands who isnt intellectual enough to handle the life efficiently?<BR/><BR/>what kind of Indian breed are we creating by travelling backwards?Dr Kondekar, Pediatricianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15266064822302413259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-1148151534909009472006-05-20T11:58:00.000-07:002006-05-20T11:58:00.000-07:00I feel that it is not important who is to blame. T...I feel that it is not important who is to blame. The very principle of what Govt. wants to do is absolutely wrong and the PEOPLE WILL BE TO BLAME if they do not hold the politicians accountable for the ill-conceived policies they bring.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-1148146594267506442006-05-20T10:36:00.000-07:002006-05-20T10:36:00.000-07:00Arjun Singh is the fall guy.The real cuplrits are ...Arjun Singh is the fall guy.<BR/><BR/><B>The real cuplrits are his own party, the Yadavs, Pawar, DMK, PMK, the Leftists, all those who comprise of the UPA alliance.</B><BR/><BR/>Why dont they talk of Muslims?????<BR/><BR/>Not to forget NDA which cannot decide which way to go. They too are indirectly to blame.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-1148060880784458822006-05-19T10:48:00.000-07:002006-05-19T10:48:00.000-07:00Arjun Singh is only taking an opportunity. The rea...Arjun Singh is only taking an opportunity. <BR/><BR/>The real people that need to be tackled are the die hard upper caste baiters who are convinced that the problems of the underprivileged are because of upper castes - although this is a bogus myth perpetuated to achieve their own ends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-1148060383741654302006-05-19T10:39:00.000-07:002006-05-19T10:39:00.000-07:00I agree with Dipak. I actually pity the guy who is...I agree with Dipak. <BR/><BR/>I actually pity the guy who is at the fag end of his political career. <BR/><BR/>Let him have his say for the time that he is going to be there in Government.<BR/><BR/>Let him also remembered in the future as the Weepy (VP) Singh of the 21st Century.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20557782.post-1148056710765409582006-05-19T09:38:00.000-07:002006-05-19T09:38:00.000-07:00Why pick on Arjun Singh. He is just carrying out o...Why pick on Arjun Singh. He is just carrying out orders. It is as you say yourself of the media - dont shoot the messenger.<BR/><BR/>I think at this point in his career he is not likely to do anything brave. He must be goaded by others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com